miike tyson ”iron mike” is an idol to all boxers with his amence power n speed and agility name 1 person as strong as tyson in he heavy weight division………ow yh theres no1!!!!!

and one more thing to say who in gods name put the fear of god like tyson did in his opponents no1 everyone how got in the ing with him knew they were guna lose or lay on the canvus no doubt about it

He is and always will be the greatest heavy weight champion to have ever lived if not in your book but in mine and alot of peoples’s to.

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1. Ali – No doubt was up there in nearly everyone’s top 10, is always going to be in the top 5, just not my number 1

2. Jack Johnson – For the time he boxed in he was a great, but in my opinion the standard just wasn’t there, he build his record by beating inexperienced fighter, a lot of them he had huge weight advantages against. However no doubt was a great but for me doesn’t make the top 10

3. Holmes – Again top fighter and great technique, a little boring to watch through and was also around when there was not much in the way of challenges, you could argue that the era is nearly as poor as it is now

4. Joe Louis – No arguments here nearly had at 4 myslef

5. Jim Jeffries – Great athlete but again not really top 10 material, but as I have said this era I just can’t say as all the fights were written up by various people and I haven’t seen them box so can’t include them, before boxing was really an organised sport

6. Tyson – There are few that wouldn’t have Tyson in there top ten, let himself down in a big way, but surely the most gifted and awesome heavyweight ever. Mentally lacking but still is one of the greatest ever to step in a ring

7. Bowe – Let down by discipline could have been a lot higher

8. Frasier – Great warrior and it was a toss up between him and Klitschko for the number 10 position, just think Klitschko would have dominated in any era and I realise he has not been tested by the best but in my opinion he just edged Frasier into the top 10, and how I have been slated for that decision, but I stand by it.

9. Langford – OK, his record cannot be confirmed could have lost anywhere between 30-50 bouts, and drawn as many, yes he probably won 200 bouts but it was before the time in my opinion that boxing really emerged as a organised sport, as with Jack Johnson, fought so many times and so often record doesn’t really do them justice.

10. Liston – I saw Liston as a bully who didn’t fight the top guys, he beat up Patterson who was a great light Heavyweight but not the best Heavyweight. The only real name on his record is Ali and in my opinion he threw both fights, no way I could have him in the top 10

In regard to your comments on my top 10

Vitali Klitschko – Has never beaten anyone. And is champ in arguably the weakest ever era.

Fair enough but I think he is a supreme athlete that would have done well in any era and if it wasn’t for injuries would be at the top now even if it’s not the best Era

George Foreman – Was too easy to hit as Ali proved. Came back and beat a very weak champion in Moore. Foreman couldn’t beat Morrison who as hardly earth shattering.

Fair enough, but he did beat Joe Frazier twice the first time for the title, Moorer is a decent fighter but really a blown up light Heavy where he really dominated. He was 44 when he fought Morrison

Riddick Bowe – definitely a top ten all time great. Shame his self discipline let him down.

Yep, could have been a lot higher

Larry Holmes – No doubt about it. Deservedly in the top ten.

Yep

Joe Louis – worthy of top ten maybe should have been higher up the list.

Was tempted, but settled for him at 6, wouldn’t argue that he could have been higher

Evander Holfield – great light heavyweight…just outside the top ten heavyweights because he failed v lewis.

Unbeatable Cruiserweight, stepped up and did the job with limited size, beat Tyson twice, and a long list of former champions. Did get a draw with Lewis in the first fight if a little undeserved. True warrior needs to be in the top 10

Lennox Lewis – fought washed up fighters and couldnt take a punch.

Bit harsh, Only lost twice, McCall is a good puncher and caught him, Rahman caught him with his hands down with a shot that would have knocked out most heavyweights, he did fight both men and again and win. Fought some great fighters and beat them a lot of them in their prime, sorry disagree with you on this one.

Muhammad Ali – was number 1 in my opinion. Had the lot.

Fair enough, just don’t enjoy watching his fights

Rocky Marciano – fought washed up fighters and in a very weak era. He saw Liston on the horizon and retired before they could fight.

Again bit harsh, agree that he was a little limited but had a massive heart and retired undefeated, still holds the record for that and didn’t duck anyone. Liston didn’t fight for a title until 7 years after Marciano retired. He did fight the likes of Louis, Walcott, Moore, Charles and Lastarza. So wasn’t a bad era

Mike Tyson – in the top ten for his first five years in boxing. Lost it as we know but definately a great. Funny but he never seemed to do well against taller fighters like Douglas, Lewis and Holyfield.

Yep could have been a lot better, fought Douglas, Lewis and Holyfield on his downhill spiral. Did he do enough to be number 1, there is an argument there. But if you speak to a lot of professional boxers Tyson is one of their favourite boxers and one who has inspired so many people with his ability speed and power.

Again I am not saying I am saying you option is wrong, it is just different to my own. You obviously know what you are talking about, but that is what makes this subject so interesting, all experts in boxing generally come up with a different top 10, usually the same fighters turn up but in different orders.

In regard to the Ali comment regarding who he beat –

Ali beat:

Paterson – Blown up light heavy, destroyed by Liston twice

Liston – Threw both fights

Frasier – Great warrior

Norton – Good fighter beat Ali once, destroyed by Foreman

Foreman – Outfoxed by Ali but never the less good fighter

Shavers – Great but lost too many

Williams – Good again lost 2 many

Bonavena – Same again

Spinks – Sorry doesn’t deserve to be on this list, did beat a washed up Ali and then Ali scrapped the re-match but far from great

You could write a list for a lot of fighters in the list some better than others, I think you can argue the facts all day, just like the era at the moment is a lot worse than what it used to be, but you have to bear in mind training, diet etc have improved also technique, fighters in past years used to get hit with most of the shots that are thrown at them, generally fighters these days hit harder and are more courteous of getting hit, due to this fact so the fights aren’t as good to watch it doesn’t mean they are poor boxers. I would put my house on most fighters these days beating the likes of Jack Johnson, but for his time he was a great fighter.

He fought inthe hardest era ever. Look at the guys ali beat and you will see there is no comparison.

Ali beat:

Paterson
Liston
Frasier
Norton
Foreman
Shavers
Williams
Bonavena
Spinks

and many others who were real tough guys.

Truly the hardest era in the heavyweight history.

Here are some points to consider.

Vitali Klitschko – Has never beaten anyone. And is champ in arguably the weakest ever era.

George Foreman – Was too easy to hit as Ali proved. Came back and beat a very weak champion in Moore. Foreman couldn’t beat Morrison who as hardly earth shattering.

Riddick Bowe – definitely a top ten all time great. Shame his self discipline let him down.

Larry Holmes – No doubt about it. Deservedly in the top ten.

Joe Louis – worthy of top ten maybe should have been higher up the list.

Evander Holfield – great light heavyweight…just outside the top ten heavyweights because he failed v lewis.

Lennox Lewis – fought washed up fighters and couldnt take a punch.

Muhammad Ali – was number 1 in my opinion. Had the lot.

Rocky Marciano – fought washed up fighters and in a very weak era. He saw Liston on the horizon and retired before they could fight.

Mike Tyson – in the top ten for his first five years in boxing. Lost it as we know but definately a great. Funny but he never seemed to do well against taller fighters like Douglas, Lewis and Holyfield.

My top ten

1. Ali
2. Jack Johnson
3. Holmes
4. Joe Louis
5. Jim Jeffries
6. Tyson
7. Bowe
8. Frasier
9. Langford
10. Liston

Bear in mind I am looking at fighters in their peak. So for example, my list goes as …

At his peak Ali would have beaten any fighter.

Johnston at his peak would have beaten any on them except Ali who had too much mobility and would have psyched him out before a glove was thrown.

Tyson at his peak would have beaten Bowe, Frasier, langford and Liston but not the Jeffries, Louis, Holmes and Johnston.

Incidentally, Demspey is not on the list because he drew the race line and refused to fight Sam Langford who he knew was the best heavyweight and but for racism would have been champion.

You seem to say something and then immediately go back on it. Thanks for taking the time for making a comment, but I am not sure how boxing writers are a disgrace to boxers ? Surely if we didn’t write about it, there would be no room for dicussion and many people wouldn’t know, I am sure the majority of your knowledge comes from books, magazines or the web as I am sure you will not have seen every fight ever. As for what Ali did out of the ring, my judgement is for what they did in the ring.

One more point – there would be a big class difference in striking from a top ufc guy to a top boxer, if the ‘top’ boxer learnt some good take down defence and a little wrestling he would probably go far. check out top thai boxers though for different stance to traditional boxing which would invite leg kicks. Its a difficult one but I think if you are a good wrestler with good boxing/thai boxing you will do well in the ufc. In the beginning it was all gracie bjj but really starting to shift to the striking game, even the fighters seem to prefer it as well as the viewers. Maybe there is more glory involved in knocking someone out than submitting them too?